Death-something needed or to be avoided?

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25 May 2008, 20:10

Death is the end of life.But what's the actual meaning of death?Why do we all die?Is there a special reason behind death?
What if dying is only an option?And at the moment humanity isn't evolved enough to take the other option,which is obviously not dying?Although immortality may seem a rather foolish idea,why are we so afraid of death?Perhaps we are aware of the fact that we could actually prevent death,if we continue to evolve?Our bodies may not naturally cope with our desire,but our mind desperately tries to exist.So maybe the reason why we die is only because our bodies aren't made to last as long as we want.What if death is actually more like a disease,would there be a cure to it?If so then I'm positive that there is,because there's no such thing as an incurable disease,only temporarily incurable diseases.As we humans evolve,we always find cures for what was once known as incurable.Currently I think that the only known weakness of death may be birth,but what if there is another one?
Life is currently defined as the period between birth and death.But the birth of what?The birth of our bodies and our minds,or the birth of one of those two alone?Since the mind is directly connected to our body through the brain,it is given birth along with our body.However must the "breaking" of our bodies result in the mind ceasing to exist?Maybe the key to immortality is preserving our mind,in other words keeping the brain functioning.
I believe that deep inside our subconscious we know that we can prevent death,and that is the reason why we fear death and always try to stay alive.If we knew that death is 100% something unavoidable why would we have gone to such efforts to cure diseases?Perhaps our mind is still consciously unaware of its true desires,and that our true desires are leaking out our current desires.If that is right,then I think our egoistical struggle to avoid death may be our true minds awareness of the power to do so.
But I won't deny the possibility that humans are simply naive,irrational creatures whom,in their ignorance,believe they have the power to do anything.I may have mistook the fear of death for something bigger,and that it actually is simply like an arrogant child's wish for something they can't have.However that seemingly foolish desire is what kept humanity taking one step forward.Immortality seems like an impossible dream but it's what kept humans evolving,so achieving immortality wouldn't be such a good thing for humanity in the end.
Let's assume that humans were to achieve immortality.What next?Humanity may become more ignorant than it currently is,since all humans would act like some spoiled kid whose every wish came true.Also we would nave no mortality rate and we would be too many for our everybody's sake,and so humanity would only cause itself more problems than it can handle.
Death may be an error of nature,but good errors still exist nowadays.Humanity may need more death than we can accept.Maybe if we stop seeking eternal life humanity will actually take a big step forwards,and only genetically good humans will inhabit the world,unfortunately for those who didn't have the chance to be genetically normal.In any pack of animals the sick are always left at the back,and if they cannot keep up with the rest of the pack then they are sacrificed for the good of the head.Humans don't do that.Humans want to "keep the pace" with those who can't run as good as the others,and that may be what keeps humanity for reaching it's full potential.Even though it sounds like a drastic idea,you should try to look at the bigger picture.This planet has a limit to how many humans it can actually support,and our numbers are more than Earth,or better said nature,can handle.Humans in their desperate battle to prevent death as much as they could destroyed the natural balance and nature suffered more than it should and we are seeing the consequences of it now.
So until humanity will see the true beauty behind the ugly mask of the grim reaper humans will have to crawl their way through history,and eventually to their extinction.After all,the big bad wolf is humanity and not the big scary "monster" with a scythe.

P.S.:If you see some mistakes with grammar ignore them please and I'll give you a Scooby Snack.

Added later:There is yet one more possibility.Albert Einstein believed that if humans were to use 100% of their brain capacity they would become pure energy and they wouldn't need bodies.And since energy cannot be destroyed we can assume that we could become immortal if we'll take a few steps up on the evolutionary stair.I guess that immortality comes with time.

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  • Fnts

    Interesting reflections. But let me correct some mistakes. Our mind and brain is a part of the body. Our minds get older just as the rest of the body does. Death is not a disease, it's a natural thing. We can't cure something natural. Immortality would be unnatural. So if someone ever will try to extend his/her life as long as possible, it would be unnatural. And the consequences would be rather bad. Maybe in future we will have technology to do so, but still I don't think that people who will try to avoid death at all cost would be respected. They will have to cause much harm to others to stay alive unnaturally long. It's not our mind, that tries to live at all cost, it's our genes. They are selfish and try to survive. We are just a gens carriers. We are some natural part of the world. If you're afraid of death just think of all time before your birth. Were you alive then? Most of the time we simply don't exist. No religions are needed to artificially explain death. Just live a healthy live and then have a healthy death.

    26 May 2008, 22:08
  • the_abyss91

    "Our mind and brain is a part of the body. Our minds get older just as the rest of the body does"-Then can I assume the fact that people can die because their mind gets too old? "Death is not a disease, it's a natural thing. We can't cure something natural. Immortality would be unnatural. So if someone ever will try to extend his/her life as long as possible, it would be unnatural. And the consequences would be rather bad. Maybe in future we will have technology to do so, but still I don't think that people who will try to avoid death at all cost would be respected. They will have to cause much harm to others to stay alive unnaturally long."-Solutions can be found against natural things.For example giving birth to babies is of course a natural thing for a woman,but we have abortions to "cure" that.And judging from this example I don't see any really bad consequence.Also why do you think they'd have to cause harm to others in order to stay alive? "It's not our mind, that tries to live at all cost, it's our genes. They are selfish and try to survive. We are just a gens carriers. We are some natural part of the world."-Then you excluded the possibility of people who do not try to live at all cost.Genes of course influence the mind's train of thoughts,however the mind can change it's thoughts radically with time.Maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that by judging from your answer,if the mind changes it's thoughts it's also changing genes,since it's directly linked to them. "If you're afraid of death just think of all time before your birth. Were you alive then? Most of the time we simply don't exist. No religions are needed to artificially explain death. Just live a healthy live and then have a healthy death."-I'm not at all afraid of death and I can't remember the last time I actually was.It's foolish to be afraid of something inevitable in my opinion.Yes and I realized what you said there a long time ago,but I compared it to when you're in a coma.Oh and I'd rather go with making happy memories in order to make something of your life,even if it's only for yourself,and to rather regret what you did instead of what you didn't.Living a healthy life doesn't mean you're going to be enjoying it as much as others I think.

    27 May 2008, 20:52
  • Fnts

    [quote]Maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that by judging from your answer,if the mind changes it's thoughts it's also changing genes,since it's directly linked to them. [/quote] Our thoughts are the result of chemical reactions and nerve impulses. I just don't get all that superiority you give to our mind. Well it's true, that it's important and some people forget about using the mind and the brain and thinking. This would be the solution to many problems. But our mind is just a part of the body and we are just a part of the universe. With this genes part I just meant, that most we do in life is not the result of mind trying to survive but the genes, that's all. Mind doesn't changes the genes in direct way of course, but it can do it indirectly in many, many ways. For example if you present your ideas to other people and you get more and more followers, genes which developed your brain in a way, that you came upon this idea, will most likely survive. [quote]Living a healthy life doesn't mean you're going to be enjoying it as much as others I think. [/quote] Well I disagree. Ok, I understand, that some unhealthy things may give you much pleasure, but the problem is everything balances. For example if you listen to the music loudly, you will get more pleasure, but your hearing will be sooner damaged and you won't enjoy music as much as you could in the future. [quote]For example giving birth to babies is of course a natural thing for a woman,but we have abortions to "cure" that. [/quote] Abortion is not unnatural if used properly. This is just the achievement of our science, that we are able to correct our mistakes this way. Imagine 14 year old girl getting pregnant by a mistake in quite poor family. So her education would be probably over if no abortion done. Now someone gives her money for abortion, she can then finish some school and get a better job. Then she gets pregnant again in a normal age for that and gives birth to a healthy child, that rises in a healthy family. Which option is better overall ? [quote] Also why do you think they'd have to cause harm to others in order to stay alive?[/quote] Example: Haven't you heard of healthy people killed for organs? If some rich man would have a disease and need some organ transplanted and there would be no donors after their natural death, what would he/she do? Try to get the organ form living person. That's obvious for me.

    12 Jun 2008, 9:18
  • the_abyss91

    "Our thoughts are the result of chemical reactions and nerve impulses. I just don't get all that superiority you give to our mind.Well it's true, that it's important and some people forget about using the mind and the brain and thinking. " That is somewhat true but I believe it's only a small part of a much bigger picture,since it doesn't explain everything.I think of that as only a piece of the puzzle,and I was just trying to find more pieces. "For example if you present your ideas to other people and you get more and more followers, genes which developed your brain in a way, that you came upon this idea, will most likely survive." Well if you mean to say that genes are linked to culture then I agree. "Well I disagree. Ok, I understand, that some unhealthy things may give you much pleasure, but the problem is everything balances. For example if you listen to the music loudly, you will get more pleasure, but your hearing will be sooner damaged and you won't enjoy music as much as you could in the future." What I meant to say is that you'd be much happier if you lived a balanced life,and not a healthy one. "Abortion is not unnatural if used properly. This is just the achievement of our science, that we are able to correct our mistakes this way. Imagine 14 year old girl getting pregnant by a mistake in quite poor family. So her education would be probably over if no abortion done. Now someone gives her money for abortion, she can then finish some school and get a better job. Then she gets pregnant again in a normal age for that and gives birth to a healthy child, that rises in a healthy family. Which option is better overall ?" That doesn't change the fact that abortions aren't natural.And even if performed properly it isn't less unnatural.And no,basically this is the product of the mind who thought that it can be done and did it.Science was only the way to achieve it.And no,abortion isn't necessary there.She could just take the baby to an orphanage if she didn't want it. "Example: Haven't you heard of healthy people killed for organs?" Not yet.I only heard of healthy people willingly donating organs. "f some rich man would have a disease and need some organ transplanted and there would be no donors after their natural death, what would he/she do? Try to get the organ form living person" Yeah and they would go to jail afterwards.That is if they're lucky to find somebody who'd perform surgery on them.

    12 Jun 2008, 10:01
  • HellsHero88

    Why Fear Death? It happens to everyone... Death is neither Racist, Sexist, or Ageist.... He/She cares not if you are Rich or Poor, Strong or Weak, Good or Bad... If we all had the Work Ethic of Death maybe the world would be a better place... So, why fear Death... He/She's just doing their Job.... Its a nessicary part of life... you can not have one without the other... this world is built on balance... Newtons Law states Every Action Has an Equal and Opposite Reaction... now this doesnt apply perfectly to the world but its pretty damn close... the world Birth/Death rate is 2:1... 2 births to every death... so i say the sooner we can accept death the sooner we can enjoy life...

    23 Jun 2008, 17:08
  • the_abyss91

    "Why Fear Death? It happens to everyone... Death is neither Racist, Sexist, or Ageist.... He/She cares not if you are Rich or Poor, Strong or Weak, Good or Bad... If we all had the Work Ethic of Death maybe the world would be a better place... So, why fear Death... He/She's just doing their Job...."-Well the fear of death is basically an instinct so it's something none of us can actually get rid of.However it can be suppressed to a limit by determination or madness. "now this doesnt apply perfectly to the world but its pretty damn close... the world Birth/Death rate is 2:1... 2 births to every death..."-You've got it wrong here.This is only for humans,but humans aren't the only ones here,they share the world it with every living being in the universe so I say it is balanced.I already said it:energy cannot be created nor destroyed. "so i say the sooner we can accept death the sooner we can enjoy life."-I don't think they're actually related.To enjoy life means to live,not to survive,in my opinion.

    23 Jun 2008, 19:37
  • the_abyss91

    "suppose nobody died: try finding enough food for all those people enough water. enough place to live even"-Well by the time we reach the point where we could become immortal then I don't think food,water or space would be a problem. "Howlong has the idea of eternal life excisted? Very long.The fact that we can do things now that we couldn't do before does not matter in this case, since the request has excisted for ages, and the problem remains the same."-Well same goes for flying and other things that are now ordinary :P "Death is eventually a way of making sure there aren't too many people alive, in order to make sure the living have enough means to actually live a good life"-Is that so?Then we should pretty much destroy all hospitals etc so every time we get a disease we die to make room for those who didn't die yet.Everybody has to die some time,why make it later?That's what you said,but in other words.

    3 Ago 2008, 14:48
  • Prestine-girl

    Think of this: - Are you your body? - The chemicals that run through your brain? What exactly defines you; is it a body that exactly everyone else has too of the same sort - or a personality, a spirit inside your body (aka 'soul'). Imagine yourself, loosing all the senses; sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, are you then alive? I believe that is in fact what happens when you die; A black, quiet, taste and - senseless world where the only thing we do is dream. Also 'Don't fear the reaper'

    15 Oct 2008, 13:38
  • the_abyss91

    "Think of this: - Are you your body? - The chemicals that run through your brain? What exactly defines you; is it a body that exactly everyone else has too of the same sort - or a personality, a spirit inside your body (aka 'soul')."-I'd go for the first option,that I'm only my body and everything related to it.The second part I believe is just humans overestimating themselves. "Imagine yourself, loosing all the senses; sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, are you then alive? I believe that is in fact what happens when you die; A black, quiet, taste and - senseless world where the only thing we do is dream."-I think that's also what happens when you're in a coma.So by your definition being in a coma is the same as being dead?

    15 Oct 2008, 14:09
  • the_abyss91

    I just believe that it's only people's imagination going wild.I only believe in what I can hold in my hand,what I can feel or what I can see in front of me.Nothing more,nothing less.The rest is just fiction.

    18 Nov 2008, 20:24
  • LeaTelamon

    I just felt the need to point out that although the discussion has died out, I think mostly young people are afraid and fear death (and the elderly who have lost everything they treasured). I see you are only 17, this of course deeply reflects your idea of life compared to someone who is 60 and done most of the things he/she wanted to accomplish. People mostly fear death because they never felt they accomplished something in their life, they never "grew up", so to speak. Also, I do need to point out that Christianity (and the other monotheistic religions) has an extreme almost sickly focus on death; this is not found in many other cultures where death happens it just happens. We don't consider ourselves being able to live 75 years just because statistics say so, when we die we die for whatever reason there may be. Anyway, these are just my own food for thought, even though I am 3 years older than you (soon to be 21), I don't fear death particularly much because I feel quite satisfied with my life. There are things I still wish to be done but even if I don't do that, I can treasure the small moments and when I reflect back, I never had a truly bad life. There were bad things just like there are bad things happening for everyone, but these bad things were not worse than anyone else's and I got through it and I am here today. If you start to appreciate the small things in life, then yes, I also think you will have another perspective on death instead of only focusing on the big things you've never done (and might not possibly ever do, like becoming a rock star).

    10 Ene 2009, 13:09
  • 8GotH8

    death is nothing...why worry about it? did you worry before you were even conceived? no, so just enjoy life and try to leave a GOOD thing behind after you're gone... nice article by the way...

    13 Ene 2010, 23:07
  • Rowolta

    Death is the ultimate truth.

    18 Mar 2010, 16:04
  • Ecofascist

    Necessary in a global sense in that the propagation of new life requires the space and resources once claimed by the old. Avoid, or rather postpone in a local, single organism sense in the interests of mating and gene propagation. The answer to the question varies by context.

    29 Nov 2010, 17:42
  • TrollovGrimness

    Some facts: -Scientists have discovered a potentially immortal species of jellyfish. It achieves continued regenerative longlife through reverting back to an earlier life stage which begins renewing the creation of new cells. or something. like becoming a baby again. -there is a Nova program on (cdn) Netflix about dreams and why we dream. through lab tests on animals have discovered that in dreaming life we relive patterns of our everyday to face coming anticipated challenges. they also discovered that if you are really excited/devoted to beating a tough spot in a videogame, go to sleep, and then wake up the next morning your performance is better. -depression could be primarily caused by people not going into the correct dream state or not getting proper sleep that others do. -Its extremely hard to kill yourself. It sounds funny but is true. Most suicide attempts fail and the body will fight to stay alive even if you consciously intend on killing yourself. So biologically we want to continually live.

    12 Dic 2010, 1:04
  • Muerci

    I don't think that our mind can be reduced only to a biological functions. Maybe it's a bit off topic, but I think we can see death as an alternative to life. There's no duty that can hold anyone from choosing suicide. Now that we're halfway over religious dogmas that tell us that we're going to Hell if we commit suicide, there's normally nothing that forces us to be alive, which can make us see life from a different point of view, as something we choose with every action that doesn't bring us death. And I don't think that our fear of death necessarily comes from a subconscious knowledge of the preventability of death, but rather from the thought that death annihilates our possibilities as we know them.

    9 Ene 2011, 2:06
  • one_4_one

    fags

    29 Jul 2011, 3:27
  • kjettar

    i agree with what you said about "This planet has a limit to how many humans it can actually support,and our numbers are more than Earth,or better said nature,can handle.Humans in their desperate battle to prevent death as much as they could destroyed the natural balance and nature suffered more than it should and we are seeing the consequences of it now." Why do you think there are diseases? Its to make the strongest specimen survive so that the species will remain strong. But for what reason do we have to live?

    23 Oct 2011, 18:52
  • Gepule

    Death is certain – life is not

    27 Abr 2012, 19:50
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