6:00Blog → Why I Hate Led Zeppelin → Notas
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-Zephyr- woot. (sorry)
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-Zephyr-
but looks like you do care about them since you wrote a pretty long article about 'em ^^ maybe not what i would have done if i dislike a band xD
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6:00 I never said I didn't care about them. Given that they're inescapable I take shots at them whenever possible. There must be equilibrium, dammit.
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tompsuli who has said that led zeppelin created metal? noone..
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6:00
Actually, it's a very common opinion.
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stepwood Agree with most of this. Ironically, John Bonham was the biggest arsehole of the four (if you believe the stories)
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jeenio I agree with you about the Robert Plant's vocals. are quite boring for a band like led. although they have some nice songs.
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Black_Debbie Diamanda Galás With John Paul Jones - The Sporting Life is quite a solid fusion.
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jroger JPJ cannot write music for shit.
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funkyfest i've listened to them a bit recently, and have come to the conclusion that they are extremely overrated. i like some of their stuff,like good times bad times and heartbreaker, and can appreciate bonham as a drummer, though even i find more than 3 minutes of drum soloing offensive to the ears. drum solos are boring! and their lord of the rings shit gets on my nerves.
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clintisiceman I like Led Zeppelin, but they are definitely overrated. You hit the nail on the head with the LZ didn't create metal thing, which I've heard so often. Whenever someone says that, I put on Helter Skelter. That was way more innovative than most of Zeppelin's earlier stuff, I agree.
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Black_Debbie
News Flash! Teenagers bitch about their parent's bands! More at 11!
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FordRules Robert Plants voice is excellent, Jimmy Page can sure play guitar. Bonham is awesome. JPJ is hardley noticeable.... Led Zeppelin is my favorite Band and they will and always kick any new bands ass. Led Zeppelin was never suposed to be a metal band anyways. They have always been like a aerosmith type band, Heavy when they want to be and soft when ever. Listen to Kashmir. That song is the greatest Song ever made in the world. Blows away any new shit like Billy talent or coldplay. You have no clue about Zeppelin..
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hyper22 Black Debbie, if you're going to just blow off that very long and well-written rant on the basis that he's a teenager, who's less mature?
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HenchmanOfSanta
They didn't create metal, but Dazed and Confused came out before Immigrant Song and at the same time or before those other albums. John Paul Jones seems like the only non-ass to me, and they're my favorite band! I will congratulate you for having reasons, although a huge rant wasn't necessary.
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HenchmanOfSanta
Sorry to hear that you can't handle an opinion. I can't even listen to Kashmir all the way through more than once a month, and I have it as a ringtone. I think he demonstrated pretty well that he has a clue about Led Zeppelin, although I don't see how JPJ is barely noticable. Sorry, but you are not the standard for musical taste.
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suklaa a career full of songs about the Lord of the Rings and butt****ing...too true...:D. Grrreat. I've gotten the impression that usually when people mention Led Zeppelin as the forefathers of metal, they speak of them as being one of the many, including for example Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. And this isn't meant to make your arguments any less valid, but didn't Lucifer's Friend's first album come out in something like 1973? Ain't too sure about that though.
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6:00
News Flash! Teenagers bitch about their parent's bands! More at 11! Given how many bands from the 60's and 70's that I like, this seems a little spurious. Listen to Kashmir. That song is the greatest Song ever made in the world. Blows away any new shit like Billy talent or coldplay. You have no clue about Zeppelin.. Have you looked at my charts? didn't Lucifer's Friend's first album come out in something like 1973? Their self-titled album was out in '70, and it's also pretty universally considered their heaviest to boot. And I should add, this rant was written for a message board I post at some time ago because people demanded reasons why I hate THE BESTEST BAND OF ALL EVAR.
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-cowgirl- hey, JPJ is one of my fave bassists!! (obviously way behind people like Steve Digiorgio.... and myself) so i'm defended zeppelin there!! but i agree, Zep gets WAAAAY too tedious sometimes with all the slow boring songs and random experimentation. (which do anoy me quite alot) OOOH! here's a solo thats overrated- Stairway to heaven- yeah sure its a 'classic' and i actually enjoy it, but there is WAAAY too much hype! but in all fairness they do have their share of down-right FUN songs.. misty mountain hop or Rock n Roll (for example) who WOULDN'T wana 'bop' around to them??? and as for being an influencial band, i'd say.. minimally so! when i went through a phase of worshipping them *cough* and decided to write a few songs for my band, they sounded nothing LIKE zeppelin.. the songs basically had no influence on me (or my guitarist who is also a fan) so thats proof enough for me that their writing style was nothing special.. so yeah, this was an interesting read :) thank you - leah x
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arryhaffin
Eh? I've never heard anyone say Zep created metal. I've heard people attribute this to Black Sabbath or Iron Butterfly, but not Zep... >_>
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6:00
From AllMusic.com... Led Zeppelin was the definitive heavy metal band. It wasn't just their crushingly loud interpretation of the blues -- it was how they incorporated mythology, mysticism, and a variety of other genres (most notably world music and British folk) -- into their sound. Led Zeppelin had mystique... In doing so, they established the dominant format for heavy metal, as well as the genre's actual sound. Random Google Search Results: Arguably the first true metal band, however, was Led Zeppelin. Initially, Zep played blues tunes heavier and louder than anyone ever had, and soon created an epic, textured brand of heavy rock that drew from many musical sources - GuitarWorld.com the prototypical heavy metal band Led Zeppelin Is in my mind without a doubt better than the beatles. Led Zeppelin created heavy metal.Led Zeppelin The Best band in the world's history ended in the 8O's Heavy Metal Created Hair Metal and evnetually formed the world's second Greatest Band- Guns N' Roses GNR's influence from Zeppelin is not obvius but Distant. this is my theory of Heavy Metal Evolution. - Billy, Boston, MA Etc. Needless to say, it IS a popular and erroneous opinion.
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Sykotic_X You can NOT say 'they just suck'. Bonham showed that he had skill on the drums. Page had huge talent. If your mother has the BBC Sessions, put on Thank You [live], or Since I've Been Loving You. Those solos are brilliant, with great passion. With the length point, they have several short & sweet songs: Immigrant Song, Black Mountain Side, Bron-Yr-Aur, The Girl I Love She Got Long Black Wavy Hair, Tangerine, Good Times Bad Times etc etc. That you consider them more intolerable than Linkin Park is just... maddening. I also don't see why you should rebuke them for being so 'experimental'.
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6:00
Did the band ever say that they created metal? Irrelevant. You can NOT say 'they just suck'. I didn't. I complemented Bonham's skill, and Jones' decent keyboard and bass chops. The problem is that they misuse their skills and produce garbage. With the length point, they have several short & sweet songs: Immigrant Song, Black Mountain Side, Bron-Yr-Aur, The Girl I Love She Got Long Black Wavy Hair, Tangerine, Good Times Bad Times etc etc. They have short songs that suck too, yes. But the longer songs suck the same amount for a longer time, and get an equal amount of radio play. Therefore, more pain. Hmm, perhaps Mr. Sigmund Freud might have something to say about why you hate Led Zeppelin so much. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. - Sigmund Freud If the guitar solo from Heartbreaker doesn't make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end, you're officially dead. That solo is hair-raising in the sense that I feel intense fear and loathing.
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Zezozoze Well done, Keeper of the Steel. You have challenged the planet Jupiter to a fistfight. High praise for your journalistic courage in the face of numerous logical inconsistencies. You haven't succeeded in convincing me of the objective suckitudinity of the Zeppelin, but the ghosts of the ancient crispy heretics do smile upon your efforts. In the interest of pedantic historical quibblery, I regret to inform you that Lucifer's Friend was recorded in November, 1970, a month after the release of Led Zeppelin III. The fiction classic, Hammer Of The Gods states that Led Zeppelin had been performing The Immigrant Song live for several months by that point. It seems downright evident to me that Ride The Sky is direct rip-off of it.
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6:00
The Lucifer's Friend reference should've referred to the album being temporally adjacent to III rather than pre-dating it, although I admit I'm not familiar enough with either catalogue to have known the dates so precisely anyway. But thanks for the correction, I'll keep it in mind.
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Zezozoze
Top notch research regardless.
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darkness_reaper I enjoyed reading this, as I have much of the same feelings. Doesn't mean I will stop listening to some zep, I find if you jam them in the background while driving or whatever they are bearable. and there is the odd song that is enjoyable.
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BleakFuture Very good read 6:00. I completely agree with you as well been like that since I heard Stairway. Of course there is songs I like by the Zep (Achilles Last Stand, No Quarter, etc). However, I can't listen to them for a long time I just get bored it seems. Also people please don't get all angry and upset with the guy, it's just an opinion so what if he doesn't like your favorite band. Live with it!
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6:00
I'm rather surprised and quite heartened that some folks agree with me on this. I'm glad to have comments from those on either side of the fence.
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6:00
If ignorance is bliss you must be one happy sonuvagun.
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Zezozoze
The Battle of Evermore unfolds before our eyes!!
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hyper22
If I have any opinion whatsoever about 6:00, it is a slight dismay at his poor judgment and little bit of pity at his inability to enjoy great music. But that is his loss, not mine. see, 6:00 outlined quite a few objective points, while you relied totally on your subjective opinion. nice one.
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6:00
You derived every single comment from the section of the rant wherein I described what I PERSONALLY don't like the band save for this one, so it's the only one I need respond to: even The Beatles were writing more advanced metal fare with Helter Skelter, a doomy proto-metal bullet that handily demolishes anything from I and II. That's not an opinion. In regards to construction and riffing, that song is actually closer to the halcyon years of 70's and 80's metal than anything from the first two albums. In the sense of being innovative, it does in fact demolish everything from I and II.
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x-Apostolos-x Well you seem to hate Led Zeppelin because of articles of other people such as Greatest heavy metal band ever and Excellent solo's! Well, at some places I might agree with you, Led Zeppelin is not heavy metal, its hard rock, sort of the same yet different, Led Zeppelin is band that experiment (A LOT), and such experiments included The bow solo in Dazed and confused and drum solo in moby dick, moby dick was ok, it needed some lyrics and more of the guitar and bass instruments going off, I am a huge fan of Led Zeppelin and see where you are getting at, the point is your not forced to listen to them, and their is no point in insulting them. I dont like rap, but I dont say how bad it sucks to other people, so what im trying to say is your journal is just a massive flame to the biggest rock band ever :P
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6:00
1) They aren't the biggest rock band ever, and the fact they're in the top ten or so is an insult to music. 2) There needs to be equilibrium. I utterly despise this band on many levels, and I never see anything negative about them. Therefore, I feel that there's a need to present another point of view.
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Sykotic_X
Going by the definition of biggest rock band that I imagine, Zep certainly is it, if you count the Beatles as pop, which I do.
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Geracka John Bonham was definitely an arse. JPJ was the nice one.
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x-Apostolos-x
What you are saying is that they suck, but its your opinion, now judging by your profile you like metallica, am I correct? Well if I say that they suck, that wouldnt be true, that would just be my opinion, and thats the thing with music, none of them are the best and none of them suck, its what other people find themselves comfortable with.
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6:00
Going by the definition of biggest rock band that I imagine, Zep certainly is it, if you count the Beatles as pop, which I do. Excepting the Beatles, Zeppelin, the Stones, and Pink Floyd are most likely the biggest rock bands ever. Fair enough. What you are saying is that they suck, but its your opinion, now judging by your profile you like metallica, am I correct? Well if I say that they suck, that wouldnt be true, that would just be my opinion, and thats the thing with music, none of them are the best and none of them suck, its what other people find themselves comfortable with. The quantity of objective statements in my rant is almost equal to the amount of subjective ones, so this post is totally pointless.
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Equality7-2521 I don't see how you can find anything besides irritating incompetence in the voice of Ozzy of Bon Scott. Technically speaking as singers they can't even spit on Plant. And his power to invoke emotion is obviously purely speculative so no point in arguing there. I don't know how you can complain about Page experimenting with his guitar live yet get off on Petrucci soloing pointlessly for 16 mins on In The Name Of God, at least when Page delves in excess it's during a live jam. In the 70's drum solos were a staple of live shows and people would be disappointed to not hear them, every band did them back then and while I do agree with you I would say Bohnam has one of the more bearable ones. John Paul Jones as a bassist was average I'll agree be he did wonderful things with the organ, No Quarter anybody? It's beyond me how you can mock a band for experimenting. Would you rather them rehash them same blues rock songs over and over again? Part of what made Zeppelin so great what how elicit they were and also that’s partly what made them so influential, showing that such genre leaping could be done to commercial success. And while they may not have created heavy metal, you can't deny their influence on many heavy metal bands, listen to Sabbath's first album and tell me it doesn't reek of Led Zeppelin. In what way does the band member's solo material effect the quality of Led Zeppelin's music, what was the point in even mentioning that? Likewise who cares if Plant had an ego, almost all musicians do and hell if anyone could have one it'd be him. Also I fail to see what this has to do with their musical output.
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6:00
I don't know how you can complain about Page experimenting with his guitar live yet get off on Petrucci soloing pointlessly for 16 mins on In The Name Of God, at least when Page delves in excess it's during a live jam. Dream Theater's post-FALLING INTO INFINITY work is mostly crap. And that includes the utterly pointless solo section of In the Name of God. It's beyond me how you can mock a band for experimenting. Would you rather them rehash them same blues rock songs over and over again? Part of what made Zeppelin so great what how elicit they were and also that’s partly what made them so influential, showing that such genre leaping could be done to commercial success. And while they may not have created heavy metal, you can't deny their influence on many heavy metal bands, listen to Sabbath's first album and tell me it doesn't reek of Led Zeppelin. The Beatles experimented first, and did it better. As did The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, The Who, and even The Yardbirds. Also, Black Sabbath's debut doesn't reek of Led Zeppelin. It exhibits shared characteristics given that they both developed in the same area, and although Zeppelin DID influence Sabbath they were one of many. In what way does the band member's solo material effect the quality of Led Zeppelin's music, what was the point in even mentioning that? Critics who have actually spent any amount of time with the first few Robert Plant solo records have commented on their extreme similarity to Zeppelin's work and yet for the most part they are completely ignored. The solo work of the others is worth mentioning as proof to those who seem to have forgotten that the members of the band are quite fallible. Furthermore, given the fact that people have had so much bloody ridiculous ink shoved down their throats about Led Zeppelin over the years, people have ceased to say anything relevant about the band. It's as if people either accept that if they don't like the band the fault is their own and not that of the band. Music is in many ways a subjective experience, inarguably, but there are faults with every band out there. Consider this a triple helping of criticism for a band I hate enough to match all of those who love them.
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YourNewOverlord
in my experience saying led zeppelin sucks is the best way to get tons of people furious over the internet without effort
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6:00
How difficult something is to play means precisely jack shit when it comes to quality. If I wanted some absurd challenge I'd learn the Atheist catalogue.
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dijdij Did the band ever say that they created metal? Irrelevant. Actually, it's definately relevant because your journal is called Why I hate Led Zeppelin, so why are you criticising people who say that they created metal when they are'nt even a metal band?
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6:00
One of the reasons I hate Led Zeppelin is because, aside from the fact that they don't appeal to me at all musically, they are shoved down the world's collective throat more than any other. That they've been granted the title of 'creators of metal' by the ignorant and irresponsible pundits of the music world sticks in my craw more than most.
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Dalkaen The drumming is my favorite part of Led Zeppelin, and.. I love drum solos. So, Moby Dick is one of my favorite Led Zeppelin songs. Regardless, I appreciate Led Zeppelin for their influence, even if I'm not into them that much. I don't really think an incendiary, negative respose to any band is necessary. I don't hate bands. Takes too much energy.
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6:00
Admirable point of view, but alas one I don't share.
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saronix Completely agree, I used to have their whole discography. I only kept ''IV'' why? It's the only album I can stand. Infact I only like one song on it, and that is stairway to heaven. I don't even like it that much. So yes, I am in complete agreement with you. Plus, looking at your charts. I am into a lot of the same music.
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AlastairN I find the same thing with Led Zep. The more I try to listen to them the more the band seems mediocre.
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Lasagnette Well-defended post, I have to say. Though I am a huge Zeppelin-fan, I have to admit that some of your arguments are right. But in Finland, in my home country, really NOBODY knows Led Zeppelin. In my home town I'm the only one who listens Led Zeppelin, may I say properly, for my age (as far as I know). It's a big thing if a radio station plays a Zeppelin song here. I mean, in forums and newsgroups everybody are just 'Wow' when somebody tells he/she heard a Zepsong today. But the middle-aged people are the flipside of the coin. When they crawl out their caves to the concerts, you hear Zep-stuff all the time. But you won't see them at the daytime, though. You hate the long live version of'Dazed and Confused'. I would understand it, if I wasn't a fan. The violin bowthing is a weird, I admit, but there's a unique sound in it. Just like Jimi Hendrix's Machine Gun or peace in Mississippi and others, the point is that you forget about the instrument and the normal sound of the instrument. So you hear some weird noise, which brings to my mind a screaming wildcat. You could call it progressive. Though the last albums are regressive, that's true. I love the first five albums. And what comes to Plant, some like his voice (and the sounds he makes). In live, he made screams and those thingies, but he just lived with the music. I think some of them are annoying, yes. But I think he was such a great singer, try That's the Way or The Rain Song. I hate Freddie Mercury, and I hate Queen, I hate that they're called a progband. I think that when you make progressive music, you must control your instrument like a god. Brian May didn't. Freddie Mercury did, but I hate his voice :D So here in Finland, among youngsters, 'Led Zeppelin' and 'over-rated' don't belong to the same sentence, except if you scratch the surface of metal (In English: If you listen few songs of Metallica, Iron Maiden, Nirvana etc.). I understand this in America and U.K, 'cause I've read forums and journals about it. Led Zeppelin, IMO, didn't create metal, and I'm glad for that. I hate Metallica and other over-rated bands. Page did some great solos, in live they're even better. But there are some really awful solos, too. For example, Hots on For Nowhere. That's horrible. Bonzo and Jonesy kept the music in shape, and did such a great work. Jonesy was the only survivor of Zeppelin. Plant and Page are ruined and gained weight. I'm sorry about the mistakes in spelling and prepositions. And I love your music taste. Except this little thingie, but it is, as I said, well-defended :)
