BiotechGodzilla escribió:

Do you realy think I would care about your or anyone's belief? Live your life the way you want, as long as you don't do any (christian) propaganda like pciffey does.

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sixdaywarstory escribió:

BiotechGodzilla: I use to care less about God. Did he exist? Does it really matter? I didn't really care, but I would think about it here and there. Then, through ways that are different for everyone, I believed. I believed in God, in Jesus and in salvation through what He did on the cross as the only way to eternal life with God. I can't relive my testimony to you and make you believe. I can only say that I use to not believe, but now I do. I wasn't looking to get saved. I didn't want to debate with the people that witnessed to me, because I didn't care, but they still came and we still talked. Either way, I got saved. How? Well, it was them, it was from looking into the Bible, and it was from some pretty amazing things that happened to me that lead me into a relationship with God. You don't understand God's love or God's wrath now, and I don't expect you to. I just hope you don't throw it away because you don't. Ephesians 6: 10-20

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

That's not what I'm saying... I just said, that our world was not necessary created by your god... That's just the way all the christians trying to argue: If there's something unknown, mysterious then it has to be god. If there are nature catastrophies, then the people have sinned and god punished them. If you survive something like a disease, car crash or else, then it has to be god... What's logical now?

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pciffey escribió:

[quote]That's why I stopped discussing with him... always the same invalid arguments... [/quote] Come on, invalid? Try this out; painting? no painter. It fell together. Car? no manufacturer. Not sure how the car came together, but there was no manufacturer. That's what you are saying, and it does not seem very logical to me.

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

That's why I stopped discussing with him... always the same invalid arguments...

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pciffey escribió:

Painting? painter. Car? Car manufacturer. Creation? Creator. [quote] "Why do you believe in God?" "Because the Bible says so!" "So, why do you believe in the Bible?" "Because God says so!" [/quote] absolutely false. Again; Painting? painter. Car? Car manufacturer. Creation? Creator.

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Burning666prg escribió:

Why do you believe in Jesus Christ but not in Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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tomothyLOL escribió:

"Why do you believe in God?" "Because the Bible says so!" "So, why do you believe in the Bible?" "Because God says so!"

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

Okay, let's stop that "discussion" at this point. Your arguments are invalid in my eyes and I think, that you say the same about mine ;)

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pciffey escribió:

[Quote] You're a typical christian fool [/Quote] Why thank you! If a "Mighty Power" did create the earth, why not God? The Bible leaves no room for any other gods, or mighty powers. Period. If a power created the earth, it was indeed God. This is where faith comes in. Everyone has faith in something, and I choose to trust the Bible. The Bible tells us to repent and put our faith in Christ Jesus so that we can be forgiven our transgressions. [Quote]You know god personally? How? God isn't physically, he does not exist in our world. He is no real person,[/quote] God is not physical, no, but He does exist in our world. He is spiritual. I know Him as my Savior and Lord. [Quote]The universe is big, very much big. A force has to cordenate it, and this force may be a "God". But i don't really think that this force created life in this blue planet. We came from the apes![/Quote] What force other than God could be big enough to coordinate the world?

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

You're a typical christian fool... Who says that your imaginary god has to be a painter? Who says that the world could not have been created by anything else, e.g other gods or a higher might? Not every mystical might has to be your god. To your China example: I've said, that I don't believe in your god, that's right, but I've someone proves me and convinces me, that there has to be a god, I'm ready to believe him, but your arguments fail, sorry. You know god personally? How? God isn't physically, he does not exist in our world. He is no real person, even if he would exist, he'd be only a higher might, but no human being you could know personally, that's ridiculous.

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Danielcarmoo escribió:

The painter of this big world paint is Odin! AHwhahwhahwhahw "I am saying that I know God exists, because I know Him personally." There's something wrong here.... O.o The universe is big, very much big. A force has to cordenate it, and this force may be a "God". But i don't really think that this force created life in this blue planet. We came from the apes!

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pciffey escribió:

No, I'd say you are an agnostic. [Quote]And now tell me, why your faith should make sense, without talking about unproven facts. [/Quote] Yeah, lets stop talking about unproven facts, LOL. :D Let me just say this; Every painting has a painter. You don't just walk up to a painting and say; "No one painted this! It fell together!" When you say there is no God, you are saying that you have looked all over the entire universe, and you did not find God. That, in turn, would mean that you know everything there is not know. Look at it this way; if you say "there is no gold in China", that means you looked through all of the entire country of China, every cm, and found no gold. If you walk into China and pick a piece of gold up off the ground, you do not have to know every cm of China to know that there is gold in China. Hence, you are saying that you know every cm of the universe, and you know that God is nowhere. I am saying that I know God exists, because I know Him personally.

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

Hm, maybe I should tell you, that I'm not an atheist. btw I haven't said, that creating a man out of mud makes sense. It's senseless, The whole base of your religion/faith/believe is senseless (at least from my point of view, you can think what you want). [Quote] You said that you BELIEVE that the future will prove what has created the earth and man. [/Quote] Maybe I've said it wrong (my english is not the best, please apologize ;)). What I wanted to say is that the future will show, how the world got created but I deny your belief, that it got created by your god. And now tell me, why your faith should make sense, without talking about unproven facts.

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pciffey escribió:

You just proved my point; Atheism is a faith. You said that you BELIEVE that the future will prove what has created the earth and man. You are right on that point. believing that a Higher Might created man out of mud is a much better answer than "Um, were not really sure.". I'll agree, some religions do not make any sense. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a religion. [Quote] You will never KNOW if there's a god, you can just BELIEVE in him. [End Quote] You do not know for sure that there is no God, so you can just believe that there is no God, right? Not really. [Quote] I hate it, when people like you want to convert other people to your believe. [End Quote] We spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ out of concern and love for those who are not saved, because we know where they will end up.

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

I don't trust, that a random explosion happened and that life just "fell together". I believe, that the future will prove, what has created the earth and what has created humanity. It might be proven by science or it might be something else, but I'm sure, that it was not the christian god. Speaking of time... nothing can create time, no god, no science. That argument you brought is senseless... You believe in a higher might which made a man out of mud and a woman out of that mans bone and you are talking of making sense?! Sorry, but you can't talk about religion in that way. Religion (not only the christian) is not existing to make sense, it's made for people to believe in. You will never KNOW if there's a god, you can just BELIEVE in him. Proving a god would be science and then you would make your arguments invalid. I don't care what people believe in, but I hate it, when people like you want to convert other people to your believe.

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pciffey escribió:

BiotechGodzilla; We will never stop preaching the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. :) Nothing has ever stopped us and nothing ever will. The power of the Blood of Jesus Christ is not stoppable. Atheism most certainly is a faith. You trust that a random explosion happened and life just sorta fell together. Evolution was not observed, it therefore is not science. Equally, creation was not observed and is not science. But seriously, which makes more common sense? Besides, you are still thinking in the box of time. What created time? Time isn't physical, it cannot be created by explosions. Where did the materials for the Big Bang come from? Which is truly more logical? To all you Christians out there, go spread the news of Jesus Christ until the whole world hears!!

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BiotechGodzilla escribió:

Will people ever stop their stupid christian propaganda? I'm glad I live in a country which accepted the theories of evolution instead of living in a religion based country like USA (go bomb yourself). And to pciffey... atheism itself is neither a religion nor a faith, it's just the disbelief in the lie you called god. I don't care, what people believe in, I just want them to stop ignoring facts, the science has brought. To me, religion is made for unsecure people who need to believe in an a person or else who can forgive their sins and else, but there I doubt, that there's a logical thinking, intelligent person who believes the christian lies.

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