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  • kattunlover69

    ugh, what are these guys were from the UK/US and released Breaking the silence and/or viper here, it could of been a hit. Viper >>> Sustain the untruth

    Febrero 2014
  • jiukim

    What are they even up to now? I was super disappointed in their last release because it really did sound like Dir en grey and it sounded like absolute shit.

    Febrero 2014
  • Ramyrez

    Madrigal de Maria is a great album. Sadie regained a fan through to it. At least one ^^

    Enero 2014
  • PetitSagittaire

    @KABUKIDISCO still better than Okama Kei

    Enero 2014
  • MsDiplodocusss

    laughably, DEG isn't even in the similar artists. Yet, Sadie is in the similar artists on DEG's page.

    Enero 2014
  • KABUKIDISCO

    DEG was good until they become adidas kei.

    Enero 2014
  • PetitSagittaire

    shame on us for having an opinion

    Enero 2014
  • KiraLo

    对视觉系不感冒,但是他们的歌很赞

    Diciembre 2013
  • MsDiplodocusss

    really SHAME ON YOU all ho listen Sadie for so long [2]

    Diciembre 2013
  • SamuraiSx

    really SHAME ON YOU all ho listen Sadie for so long and say such stupid things, NEW ALBUM IS AMAZING ! And just cause Mao have simmilar voice to Kyo it totally doesn't mean that album is rip off DEG ! did you ever listened truley DEG? O,o those who do they can see totally different styles, it's usual Sadie with darker and heavier songs just, it's normal they are expanding and not staying at same place with music. DEG music is more morbiud calmer but serius with instrumental, lyrics and vocal. In MADRIGAL de MARIA I don't see any song that resembles some of DEG ! it's jumpy freaky and romantic totally Sadie style. so stop bitching if you aren't listening music seriously and can't tell difference between copycat and resemblance just by voice.

    Diciembre 2013
  • lolacat20100

    When is main picture is going to change? O_o

    Diciembre 2013
  • Le_newtype

    no budget undercode talentless whoever (nega for example) [2]

    Diciembre 2013
  • STEPHENCARLMURP

    Stephen

    Noviembre 2013
  • D2Synua

    They're as far from unique as possible, still don't understand why some of you don't get that.

    Noviembre 2013
  • lolacat20100

    I think new album sounds too heavy (because of copycat to DEG) -_- I like MASTER OF ROMANCE and THE BLACK DIAMONDS much more ♥

    Noviembre 2013
  • Niyuube

    No one can't deny that they are often strongly 'inspired' of other bands, but they made their own shit about it and Maos style to sing is still unique. But I'm still enjoying their music and of course their new album too >3 It isn't a milestone in music history but another solid release by them :D

    Noviembre 2013
  • Epsilon_X2008

    "well, I found such so-called "J-fanbase" to be mostly made of immature freaks obsessed with a culture they don't understand, never experienced but still fanatically idealize" I hate those people. Especially when their entire knowledge about Japan is based on anime and vocaloids.

    Noviembre 2013
  • BANDITOATTACK

    im pretty sure these guys can beat up dir en grey, those dudes are all like 4 feet tall

    Noviembre 2013
  • ASSAX6

    well, you're having something to do with DEG... indirectly.

    Noviembre 2013
  • distraughtk

    Im liking the new album so far. Seems like the only thing anyone on this page does is bitch about rip off. Fine with me, im not a Dir en Grey fan and want nothing to do with then XD

    Noviembre 2013
  • kattunlover69

    Demon's cradle >> blossoming, God blossoming is boring.

    Noviembre 2013
  • nekkichi

    lold irl @ " Sadie covering 12012's cover of THE BLOSSOMING BEELZEBUB"

    Noviembre 2013
  • nekkichi

    I didn't bother leeching sadie's recent LP but I'm listening to demons cradle on utube rn and holy fuck, a band that mashed obscure, vinushka and mazohyst of decadence together AND still managed to sound like some no budget undercode talentless whoever (nega for example) deserves some applause tbh.

    Noviembre 2013
  • Killinstinct

    D2Synua: I know the difference between "being influenced" and "ripping off", that's why I wrote "too influenced" in citation marks... They are simply too influenced by DIR EN GREY that they copying them. ;)

    Noviembre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    but HEY who cares? all that matters in the end is that MADRIGAL de MARIA IS STILL A BEAUTIFUL DIR EN GREY RIP-OFF! Let's rejoice my friend! :D

    Noviembre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    well, I found such so-called "J-fanbase" to be mostly made of immature freaks obsessed with a culture they don't understand, never experienced but still fanatically idealize, so yeah I tend to avoid such community as much as possible (the simple word "J-fanbase" supposing having interest in an artist just because of the country he/she comes from sounds ridiculous to my ears)

    Noviembre 2013
  • deadtree23

    Hey guys, here's the video that i promised! Sadie rips off Dir en grey ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeVXkbYqwHY

    Noviembre 2013
  • Pretsy

    You weren't in J-fanbase for a long time I suppose, so it's not a surprise that you are not familiar with such "back in the day" forums (or how was J-music fanbase back then). Thus, I have no motives to continue this "argument on intrusion" - let the stans to be stans, freaks to be freaks etc.

    Noviembre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    [talk about moving out for once awhile] lulstalker? [Pitchfork - where you surely belong to] no plz no I personally despise Pitschfork & needledrop dickriders who can't have an opinion by themselves [what are you trying to achieve with this whole mess?] enjoying myself 'cause arguments on the Internet are entertaining when boredom, too bad you didn't get mad [Just to quote one of the earliest Tonberry comments ] lol Tonberry?

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    and I bet Petit you are one of those "Sounding like DEG is a crime"-people (along with other folks off Degbox), which I find a bit creepy.

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    I think argumentation here is just vain - you keep blaming on Sadie fans for being stupid etc. but look at yourselves for once too. Just to quote one of the earliest Tonberry comments (read: not an overstatement): "No matter how far will DEG progress during their career, they will always gather a bunch of totally ignorant dweebs, for whom their new idol band is "the Olympus of J-rock", and thus, newer bands (with a good start) get shitted at for "sounding like their idols" - is "sounding like DEG" prohibited now these days? I thought having influences was one of the normal humane things in music. Why all that ignorance? And the way they try to cover up "sins" of their idols in terms of "taking too much influence" - people won't ever realize this, but even now (Pretsy's note > read: this was off Wtd era I guess), they are heavily influenced by early metalcore/nu-metal acts (Pretsy's note > read: MOAB's riffs have been done by acts like Deftones before, nothing new!). This is so sad."

    Octubre 2013
  • Naaaaani

    @PetitSagittaire I meant not "everyone", just you and your sweet butthurt about someone's making money from "ripping off". This is Internet and here nobody cares about yours or mine opinion. So, you can continue fighting for "justice" and against plagiarism in this shoutbox, it looks really funny :)

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    Also, "oriented towards the wrong direction"? Look who's talking. If you are not really familiar with the way how "referencing other works" works in Asia (see, they are not as trigger-happy as most folks in US - or to be exact, in such places as Pitchfork - where you surely belong to), then you'd rather shut up and focus on bands that you LIKE instead of hating - what are you trying to achieve with this whole mess? This is not 2009 or earlier years of rant :)

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    "Open covers" are basically bands' own reconstructions of songs that they've been influenced by, and crediting is not necessary in that case - as long as your "biggest" influences are ACKNOWLEDGED. For instance - not trying to sound biased but look how many club DJs use Nakata's work as reference in their works - or how much are old school vk songs influenced by "granddaddies" - to the point where you can obviously hear the influence (if you are so unsatisfied with Sadie, then why don't you go bark on Grieva shoutbox too? I mean, they are pretty much a DEG tribute band - talk about moving out for once awhile!)

    Octubre 2013
  • Naaaaani

    @PetitSagittaire I'm not a fanboy, bro. I just lolling so hard at shitbricking haters and "warriors for Internet-justice" like you. Btw, I love Dir en grey so much more than Sadie. I don't care how Sadie or Dir are making money, I just love their music.

    Octubre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    Pretsy, you and Naaaaani are oriented towards the wrong direction, you're obsessed with the idea of people taking the defense of Deg to be "Dir-wankers" or influenced fanboys when you don't see that people like me don't give too fucks about Dir en grey or Visual Kei in general..being an artist myself, I just can't stand to see people stealing material from other people and making money and fame from it. If it was Miley Cyrus ripping off Justin Bieber, I would have the same reaction, I don't hold anything against Sadie

    Octubre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    [ever heard of "open covers" btw?] No. and if it was a cover, the name of the original artist should be listed near the trackname, so it's not a cover, it's a rip-off.

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    In the end it would be better to post adequate comments next time (and "this sounds like DEG, copycats copycats, sue them!" has been chanted on for years and years - to the point where normal deg stans like me would get annoyed, seriously - ever heard of "open covers" btw?) , just saying.

    Octubre 2013
  • kattunlover69

    yup, MADRIGAL de MARIA is their best album.

    Octubre 2013
  • ASSAX6

    what happened to the autism comment?

    Octubre 2013
  • Naaaaani

    Sadie are awesome at least for making Dir-wankers so hurt and shitting bricks, lol

    Octubre 2013
  • D2Synua

    in the end It's still a Deg rip-off though [2] And that's all that really matters.

    Octubre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    wow pretsy, chill out [2] in the end It's still a Deg rip-off though

    Octubre 2013
  • ASSAX6

    wow pretsy, chill out

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    Sadie always sounded like DEG at times, then what? Is that a proper reason for negativity? <- bluntly put.

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    Until now, where I am totally disappointed by the way they ditched the sound where they were REALLY GOOD at. It's like they are now trying to be something that they aren't. Don't get me wrong though, I like Dir too (DUH) but I have a handful of favorites from Sadie as well - and let this be the most neutral comment in this so-called "battlefield of fandoms" - people, please accept this: good execution and consistency can make you easily forget about how "unoriginal" certain album/band is - so stop being total douchebags/one-liner asshats with "THIS SUCKS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE DIR, OH GOD NO" -comments. I don't like the album either, but I am not siding with your Batsu-level "throw your brains out"-attitude. Sorry again, Degbox visitors.

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    So get off your high throne of DEG fandom and try to criticize things in more adequate way this time instead. No need for "BAND X IS ORIGINAL, BUT THIS BAND Y SUCKS, BECAUSE THEIR INFLUENCE IS THEFT ETC. ETC. ETC." - in the world of 20th/21st century, it's just unavoidable to be "way too influenced" - we're living a time where things are praised/criticized by their EXECUTION and CONSISTENCY, not generally always by their "TOTAL ORIGINALITY". You should've stopped coming here after checking their earlier material out, considering this is NOTHING NEW (pre-MoR era is basically MOAB/WtD worship, happy? And people back in 2008 didn't give a shit!). People like me have tended to like Sadie due to their "further approach" to Dir's WtD-ish poppy sound a.k.a "Drop C# pop metal" (with MOAB-ish tendencies, which they didn't take any further in general) and extend it with their own ideas of execution, resulting in heavily influenced, but somewhat catchy/groovy repertoire (Kagerou, Juggernaut etc.)

    Octubre 2013
  • Pretsy

    @Petit: as much as this is off-topic to this shoutbox, for eg. Mazohyst of Decadence is basically a mishmash of Kuroyume's "Yuri no Hanataba" and Buck-Tick's "Kirameki no Naka De", Akuro no Oka lifts parts off Luna Sea's "Millennium" (chorus especially, albeit in awkwardly similar way) and Zan is basically a reconstruction of Kuroyume's "Shihainaru DEATH MASK". AND Yurameki has parts of Luna Sea's True Blue in it too (read: especially the whole fucking bassline)

    Octubre 2013
  • herviross_2

    @PetitSagittaire: I'll agree that some of Sadie's older material sounded eerily similar to DIR EN GREY's music. As suggested, I'll dissect every song and see if there's anything that can be categorized as a "rip-off".

    Octubre 2013
  • PetitSagittaire

    funny that Dir en grey isn't even in the similar artists section btw

    Octubre 2013