Pants Prog - A-E

 
  • Pants Prog - A-E



    Well.... after a terrible 2011 set of Prog releases.....and inspired by our recent burning false prog at the stake thread (!) - I decided that my poor ears had enough of Pants Prog...

    I have bought more stuff than I can ever remember listening to... so a few weeks ago loaded up a playlist - ALL prog from A-E into a playlist and commenced listening using my unfeasibly long daily commute to listen properly...

    Ye gods how much money have I wasted?

    So far - the following have permanently deleted - never to be reclaimed on my hard drive:


    Ageless
    Alaska
    Amplifier
    Anekdoten
    Alex Carpani
    Anima Morte
    Apocalypse
    Apogee
    Apple Pie
    Aquaplanage
    Arcane
    Argos
    Arrakeen
    Arz
    Arzachel
    Asfalto
    Asgaerd
    Asia
    Asia Minor

    Atlas
    Audience
    Aunt Mary
    Aurora project
    automatic fine tuning
    Azteca

    Believe
    Big Big train
    A big goodbye
    Black widow
    Boud Deun

    Thats as far as I have got so far. The Axe is still hanging over Beardfish.... I have all their stuff....but ever really enjoyed it much.

    Something liberating about all this spring cleaning....

    Just quality from now on....no more impulse purchases unless its highly recommended or I have been blown away....

    Its............... refreshing!

    Doug :)

    PS - Asturias - fabulous!!!!! Glad I found them again - and Arcansiel

    PPS - No I haven't gone mad..... but there is too much music out there....I've consumed too much and now I only want wonderful things to tickle my lovely eardrums

    grooving with the beat box........wah wah wah :)

    • amatala escribió...
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    • 4 May 2012, 13:58
    Blimey! There are some superb bands on that list! :O

    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 4 May 2012, 14:25

    Re: Pants Prog - A-E

    This is a cry for help, if ever I heard one!

    Some superb bands being excised there...

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    • 4 May 2012, 16:01

    Re: Re: Pants Prog - A-E

    Mark_H said:
    This is a cry for help, if ever I heard one!

    Some superb bands being excised there...


    I offered some help but........

    Da Da Di Dahhh - let the funeral march roll out...

    R.I.P Pants Prog... :-(((

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    Mark_H said:
    This is a cry for help, if ever I heard one!

    Some superb bands being excised there...


    LOL.... nope...

    Genuinely I think there was nothing there that interested me much...

    Maybe one keyboard solo too many, have I heard....

    But really - there is so little spare time in my world - so I just don't want to clog it up with sub standard music that almost becomes background...that's not how it used to be. None of the bands or their music leave an impression like...say the recent Edisons Children or IOEarth - or the fabulous Kotebel that you recommended Mark.....

    I can only now have quality!

    :)

    grooving with the beat box........wah wah wah :)

    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 4 May 2012, 16:36
    I think we can sympathise with your post - there is a lot of mediocrity out there.

    BUT...

    I'm surprised in by your comment on Beardfish - one of THE stand out bands of recent years - they have a fresh take on Prog and a distinctively recognisable sound, superb vocals (rare in modern Prog) and great lyrics. One of the bands that deserves a lot more recognition, IMO.

    Big Big Train have also made huge strides over the past couple of releases and I would have thought they suited your melodic yearnings? I have great expectations of this band.

    Argos - one of my favourite releases of the past couple of years... Very much looking forward to the new one.

    Go on, give 'em another try :D

  • LOL.... too late - gone gone gone....although I haven't yet deleted Beardfish as there is *something* there :)

    grooving with the beat box........wah wah wah :)

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    • 4 May 2012, 19:28
    Yippee!! Let's hear it for the "piscine pognologists".... (Beardfish to you...)

    :-))

    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 5 May 2012, 8:05
    Doug, take another listen to South of the Border off Sleeping in Traffic: Part Two and tell me that isn't a breath of fresh-Prog air!

    One of things I love about them is they don't take things too seriously and it adds a level of enjoyment to their music missing from most other artists.

    "He was workin’ the dancefloor, he’d shake it about
    Chains and jewellery shimmering, bling-a-ling, glimmering"

    • amatala escribió...
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    • 5 May 2012, 11:48

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    skiesrblue said:
    None of the bands or their music leave an impression like...say the recent Edisons Children or IOEarth - or the fabulous Kotebel that you recommended Mark.....

    :)


    Well, you know hat they say, to each his own or whatever sails your boat :P ...

    In the end only you can choose what makes you happy and that's all that matters, of course... but I really have to say... I'd rather bin the latest IOEarth - which I find particularly weak and disappointing - one billion times before even thinking of touching Anima Morte - which I like quite a lot... but that's me... ;-)

  • Mark_H said:
    Doug, take another listen to South of the Border off Sleeping in Traffic: Part Two and tell me that isn't a breath of fresh-Prog air!

    One of things I love about them is they don't take things too seriously and it adds a level of enjoyment to their music missing from most other artists.

    "He was workin’ the dancefloor, he’d shake it about
    Chains and jewellery shimmering, bling-a-ling, glimmering"


    Just listened that worked.....liked it a fair amount .....shall have a bit of a beardie listen then...... Not sure how I came to obtain all their albums without actually liking them...... Hence my destructive romp through the hard drive.....

    :)

    grooving with the beat box........wah wah wah :)

  • Ah Doug, I have enormous sympathy - we accumulate such mediocrity over the years and its takes guts to do a prog life laundry...

    I blame terrabites of hard drive letting us store endless albums. My solution is not to delete the lame stuff but to use iTunes star ratings = 4/5 - good/excellent and ticked so stay in the playlists etc. 1-3 gets unticked so I still have them (as a file) but never appear in my playlists. So, in theory, I'm only listening to (what I consider as) the good stuff. Problem is that I have only rated less than 20% of my music so what hidden glories are out there on my hard drive is anyone's guess...

    (Agree with all about Beardfish and Argos BTW - give 'em another chance).

    Uncle Jack knows the song of the hedgerows...
    • Flight123 escribió...
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    • 14 May 2012, 9:36
    I have some sympathy with this post and blame it on what Oldprogger identifies above - available technology. Back in the day however, if we invested good money in the vinyl, we made sure we gave it a thorough listen before making the trek to submit it to the second hand bin. Trouble is, there is some vinyl in retrospect that I wish I hadn't let go of... Unfortunately, skiesrblue has availed himself of the modern disposability of music. ReR megacorp for this reason, is resisting making their catalogue available on download for instance, clinging to the importance of the physical ownership of music.

    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 14 May 2012, 10:39
    We've discussed this before. The "democratization" of music via the Internet by bypassing the big labels, has allowed anybody and everybody to release what they want without those releases being filtered through any "quality control". The result is a tidal wave of mediocrity. In the pre-Internet days the only stuff that got released would have a good chance of being half decent. Now WE are the filter; the community has to sample everything in the hope of finding the decent new acts. For me, this is far from ideal...

    The popularity charts I produce are an attempt to report the results of the community filtering and show which acts are gaining the most popularity. In other words, to identify those acts worthy of my money...

    For example, here are the top 11 biggest gainers in popularity over the last year:

    1. (3640) Storm Corrosion (progressive muzak) 287/+2447
    2. (2491) Iluzjon (crossover prog) 354/+2101
    3. (2464) FreddeGredde (crossover prog) 357/+2156
    4. (1948) William D. Drake (eclectic prog) 425/+2053
    5. (1812) Jakszyk, Fripp and Collins (eclectic prog) 445/+1981
    6. (1803) Ave Sangria (prog folk) 452/+2127
    7. (1704) Haken (heavy prog) 281/+138
    8. (1698) Il Maniscalco Maldestro (crossover prog) 469/+1969
    9. (1637) Edison's Children (neo-prog rock) 482/+2097
    10. (1587) Ga'an (zeuhl) 493/+2137

    11. (1524) Matt Stevens (crossover prog) 506/+1949

    Some good names in there.

    I've deliberately gone to 11 to include Matt Stevens who is a master of self promotion in the new world of internet media and has done a great job of getting himself noticed.

    But that Storm Corrosion should decimate the entire table in ONE WEEK shows not only how incredibly popular those guys are, but also how few new and genuinely popular bands are around in the Prog genre right now...

    • Flight123 escribió...
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    • 14 May 2012, 12:38
    A very good point above Mark_H - and good to see Catt Stevens (sic) making a comeback.

    Moreover, the technology of vinyl - which allowed 20 mins (ish) per side also acted as a form of quality control. Only 'big' bands with resources could get around that with double albums. We have often debated what 'The Lamb', 'Topographic Oceans', 'The Wall' etc. would sound like had those bands been only allowed a 'single' album.

    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 14 May 2012, 13:36
    Yes, very true... CD ushered in a new period of TOO MUCH music on an album. As you say, the limitations of vinyl made the artists focus their efforts. Less is more!

    And now we are entering the period where many people aren't so much interested in albums any more and are just buying single tracks on iTunes/whatever. This cannot be a good thing for overall album quality in the long run...

    • cag71 escribió...
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    • 14 May 2012, 18:31
    ^ According to Wikipedia , the average attention span of a person is about 20 minutes, which is about the length of one side of a vinyl. After which you would likely flip it over to listen to side B. So even if the quality of the whole 60 minutes is good, it's unlikely that you're going to maintain the same level of attention over the whole album.

    As for downloading single tracks, I can kind of understand it if the track has been released as a single, but it's something I rarely ever do. Usually if it's been released as a single it's promoting an upcoming album, so it makes more sense to wait for the album.

  • My 17 year old son now has an encyclopedic knowledge of good-bad music across most genres all thanks to the internet/downloads. It allows you to experiment easily without financial outlay (Spotify, Last FM etc) and discover the good stuff which would have been beyond you before only occasionally revealed by listening to Vance, Freeman, Peel etc and taking a chance that the rest of the album was decent. Alternatively it was from borrowing the album off your mate and diligently transferring it to a C-90 or two.

    I think his appreciation of music has been heightened by the rise of the new media so, perhaps, it's us who have lived through vinyl > CD > digital that lament the loss of the former formats and what they brought music?

    Uncle Jack knows the song of the hedgerows...
    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 15 May 2012, 6:49
    It's a double-edged sword. The internet makes available all the great music of the past, but also allows a tidal wave of unfiltered new music from the present. The difficulty now is how to filter out what is worth attention and what is not...

    The same thing is now happening with books thanks to eBooks. Anybody can now self-publish very easily, and from what I've seen so far most of it is rubbish. The vast majority of quality stuff still comes through the publishers... and I think that's where I'll stick for books, otherwise I'll end up reading tons of mediocre self-published stuff in the vain hope that I find that lost gem?

  • update...

    Brother ape
    Carp tree
    Casino
    Cast
    Castarnac
    Celelalte cuvinte
    Cherry Five
    Contraction
    Cross
    Cyan
    Daedalus
    Dead Heros club
    Delerium
    Delivery
    Devin Townsend project

    All gone...... :)

    Looks like the B's fared much better than the A's...

    But Big Big Train did go in the end.....decided to keep Beardfish

    HUGE discovery nestled in my hard drive:


    Combination Head!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow wow wow wooooooooooooo



    :)

    grooving with the beat box........wah wah wah :)

    • Mark_H escribió...
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    • 17 May 2012, 6:28
    Brother Ape :'(

    Combination Head I felt never lived up to their potential.

    Are you deleting entire albums? I cannot believe there aren't at least some *tracks* worth saving amongst the evicted?

    Big Big Train :''''( One of the best UK bands of many years - took them many albums to find their stride but the last couple, and particularly their last EP (with Master of Time) is magnificent.

    Will be VERY interesting to see the list of artists given a stay of execution...

    [stupid wireless keyboard cannot keep up with my typing speed!]

    Editado por Mark_H el 18 May 2012, 12:48
    • Flight123 escribió...
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    • 17 May 2012, 8:44
    Delivery? The same band Phil Miller and Pip Pyle were in pre-Hatfields etc. Weren't they blues rather than prog?

  • Flight123 said:
    Delivery? The same band Phil Miller and Pip Pyle were in pre-Hatfields etc. Weren't they blues rather than prog?


    mmmmmmm yes actually I might have mis-classified them as prog - but it didnt make the listening grade anyway :)

    grooving with the beat box........wah wah wah :)

  • Agree with Mark about the lamentable loss of BBT from your collection Doug - one of the best UK proggers for some time and now hitting their stride.

    I do agree on Devin Townsend though...promises much but pants.

    Uncle Jack knows the song of the hedgerows...
    • n00ah escribió...
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    • 21 May 2012, 8:27
    well Doug, to most of your bands in your kill list I never heard or listened before. But, I don't have the feeling that I could miss a great album of an unknown band. I only have a limited time to listen to music and this amount of time is - interesting enough - nicely divided in two parts. One part where I want to listen to good music I know and the other part where I want to discover new music. It's funny, that these two parts work hand in hand.
    If one album of an unknown band is very good, then rumours and recommendations will come, either by friends, media or even the "lucky punch" by listening to a band with an interesting cover or name... :-) Disappointments of course are also happening, but in the times of spotify and co it is at least no financial disappointment anymore :)

    p.s. surprisingly found carptree in your list... I do like them a lot. And to beardfish... hmm, I understand you... I never found a piece in their music which impressed me... it's like music for a prog-elevator ;-)

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